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Ann on Ammons Family

Sat, 10 Jul 2010 20:23:57 +0000

Hello - since I also have relatives from that area of S.C., (Cook family) I was interested in your posting. You probably already know that you can go to the South Carolina Archives search page and find a lot of online information, and the ones they don't have printed out in full can be ordered. There is a lot of Ammons information there, including Joshua Ammons' will with his children and granddaughter mentioned by name. His Revolutionary War service, etc. Also a William Grice left all his estate to Thomas Ammons, so no doubt he was a close relative. Hope this helps you, if you don't already have all this information.

MHatcher on Ammons Family

Sun, 23 May 2010 12:52:26 +0000

Gavin,

I apologize for the delay, but your request has been forwarded to the Genealogist for review. She will try to help you the best she can.

Michelle Hatcher

Tribal Secretary

Gavin on Ammons Family

Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:24:02 +0000

Hi my name is Gavin Roberson and I'm a descendant of the Ammons family that was in the Edgecombe and Robeson County Areas of N.C. in the mid 1700's and in the Marlboro, Dillon, and Marion County areas in the late 1700's and early 1800's. Myself and other family members have done a lot of research on our Ammons family and strongly believe that we connections to various tribes in N.C. and S.C. My 5th Grt Grandfather was Thomas Ammons and it is stated that he was born near Torhunta(an Indian farming Community) around 1749. His wife's name was Bertha(Last Name Unknown). His Brother was Joshua Ammons who was married to Francis Parker and they had another brother named John. Their Father was John Jacob Ammons of the Old Edgecombe N.C. Area. John Jacob died in 1761 in the Old Edgecombe Co area. Their mother's name is believed to be Barbara or Mary(I have found two names, Last Name Unknown). Thomas, Joshua and John all three migrated down to Robeson County, N.C. and then down to the Marlboro, Dillon, and Marion County, S.C. areas. My family is mentioned in the Book by Steven Pony Hill, Strangers in Their own Land, S.C. State Indian Tribes. Thomas and Joshua both died in Marlboro County, S.C. Some of their children stayed in this area of S.C. and others migrated to other areas of the South. Many of Thomas Ammons' children migrated to Western N.C. near the Cherokee. My 4th Grt Grandfather was William Ammons and he migrated to South Georgia where I was reared. We have found the Ammons name in various Tribes in N.C. and S.C. which included the Saponi, Coree/Coharie, Lumbee, Pee Dee, Cheraw and the Waccamaw. What I would like to ask is, if there is anyone within the Waccamaw Tribe that might have any information on our Ammons Indian family? Any information anyone my have would be very thankful. Gavin.

Rita Jacobs on Membership Numbers

Fri, 12 Mar 2010 17:42:17 +0000

I don't have a card at all. A relative of a relative did some genology. Most of the documents we have go back to a Shadrach Jacobs that was eventually hung in fairfeild county SC. Only one branch of the family went back futher. They found some Jacobs brothers from Germany who married Indian women and showed a link to those families. I don't have the documents yet to study. Anyway when Shandrach was running from the law, he ended up in Southeast Georgia, and he left a family there. The truth is most my family is white-ish. There is a bit of this and that for color, lots of not quite white people marrying eachother. I have some Creek indian blood, but the paperwork will show she was white. The man who wanted to marry her went to Savannah, bought a dead white woman's name off a ship and then used that name and documents to marry his Indian wife. She went by that name all her life. On paper we often look as white as anybody else. I am related to some Harper's who are related to some Carvers that were not considered all white either. And on it goes with each branch of the family. I'm not applying for a card anywhere. My ancestors seem to have had a plan, to get as white as possible. My girls had blond hair and blue eyes when they were little. Success! I found this site and this other little peice of information about what kind of Indian my father's father was descended from. I identify with whoever invites me to sit and eat with them in a lunch room. All I can say for certain is I look white-ish (asian people say I have asian eyes, I have markers from native american ancestory, feet, fingers, teeth) and I can't find any asian in the family tree and everything else is certainly possible! Having a card might have stopped the dentist from filling my shovel teeth, but papa told that dentist he wasn't an Indian so go for it. To me applying for a card would probably have many of my ancestors rolling over in their graves! Papa always said he couldn't be an Indian because he had blue eyes. He told me if you say it long enough, people start to believe you. He tries for a jewish discount everytime he can though. He's a Babtist! A card would not make me more or less of anything. What you see is what you get and there really isn't any changing that. I am comfortable with how I look. My sister is darker than me. Does that make her more Indian? Maybe, but it doesn't make her any less my sister. Just be happy in your skin. A card is just a card. The number is just a number. I don't think I am enough of any one thing to merit a card anywhere anyway. I don't have to try and save anyone from themselves. I don't have to stay where I'm not welcomed. Being white-ish is fine for me, I'm not usually this social or talkative. If you've cared enough to get a card, that should say enough in itself. Some people are always seeking to be higher in the pecking order no matter where they are. Its nature. Its not admirable, but its human.

Darryl on Membership Numbers

Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:38:39 +0000

The enrollment number is just a tracking number that appears in the tribal book. If my driver's license number is lower than yours does not make me a better driver. It means I got to the license bureau before you. Just because my enrollment number is lower or higher than yours, does not make me any better or worse of a Native American than you. It means that I was entered in the tribal rolls before you and I may be older than you. This enrollment number business is as silly as the core verses the non-core issue. As far as I am concerned, there are three ways to become a member of the tribe. The first way was to have met the requirements when the tribal roster was originally created. The second way is to be the blood born child of tribal member. The third way is to marry or be adopted by a tribal member. I view the tribal roll book as simply a record of the historical timeline of the tribe.

Doug on Google Groups

Tue, 09 Jun 2009 23:58:25 +0000

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Doug on Should There be drinking after hours at the pauwau

Sat, 30 May 2009 12:55:05 +0000

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Doug on December 2008 Village News

Sun, 04 Jan 2009 15:08:47 +0000

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Chakwaina on 2008 Pau Wau

Wed, 05 Nov 2008 15:30:14 +0000

Well, I don't know about everyone else, but I had a wonderful time at the Pau Wau.

Can we have another one in 2 months? <grin>

I can not wait until the next one.

Got to meet lots of cousins.

Made many new friends.

My body is tired in a good way.

My mind is clear.

My spirit is refreshed.

What else can one ask to walk away from Pau Wau with?

Chakwaina on Membership Numbers

Sat, 18 Oct 2008 07:14:37 +0000

Oh I agree with you 110%!

I love it when people come up tp me and ask if I am Indian and then proceed to tell me their great grandmother was a C Indian Princess!

I am too outspoken to not offer them a little education on that one.

Ask me at Pau W what I tell most when they tell me they are "Cherokee'--

Doug on Membership Numbers

Fri, 10 Oct 2008 23:22:53 +0000

I think you are absolutely right. It's just a number. Hell, it's just a card. There are members who join the tribe out of a sense of validation. Like, without a tribal ID card, they wouldn't be indians. There's no amount of paperwork you fan fill out to make you who you are, and since we're on the subject, your geneology doesn't really mean anything either.

Look, other people can't tell you who or what you are. It doesn't work that way. You are who you are, and if you've managed to become conciously aware of it, then to hell with everyone else. They're just too meek souled to take the same journey themselves. That's the very reason they do what they do. They can't look within themselves, so they demonize those who can.

Our tribe should be a celebration of our heritage. Instead, some like to turn it in to a shallow pissing contest. I don't give a damn how 'indian' you think you are, I'll introduce you to some people that'll put you to shame. And, when you sit down and get to know them, you'll probably be suprised at how little they care if your papers are in order.

I can't really pin down the function in your mind that makes you an indian, I just know that I have it, and if you say you have it too, it's good enough for me. Hell, if you don't - it'll be pretty obvious after a while. It doesn't take a blood test to find out if you are who you say you are. If geneology records were accurate in that respect, our tribal role book would look a lot different.

People in this tribe talk too much. Half of them sit around and gossip about the other half.

Chakwaina on Membership Numbers

Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:33:58 +0000

I will not call names, because I feel it unnecessary and also because if some are doing this to me, they and possibly others, are doing it to others.

My membership number is 301.

If your membership number is lower than that–it does NOT make you

More Indian than me.

More Waccamaw than me.

More dedicated to your heritage than me.

More anything than me.

I do not mind telling you what my number is. What bothers me is after I answer you you say, “Well, my number is (some number lower than 301).” Then procceed to try to make me feel bad because my application was processed after yours.

I have been made to feel like the low person on the totem pole. Like a hitchhiker.

I AM not.

I am Waccamaw and Lumbee on my mother's side. I am either Choctaw or Cherokee on my Daddy's side.

That Waccamaw blood screamed at me.

And I listened.

I live my heritage every day. No one that actually ever speaks to me for more than a few minutes can say that I am not Red.

Its in all I do.

All I say.

All I believe.

All I stand for.

Every breathe I take.

Please, don't judge me because my membership/enrollment number is lower than yours.

Unless your name is Harold “Buster” Hatcher, then someone has an enrollment number lower than yours.

Chakwaina on Tribal Business Must Go On

Fri, 03 Oct 2008 18:19:50 +0000

I just wanted to take a moment and say that no matter what the Tribe goes through, our business must continue at all cost.

Now, please, don't everyone jump up all at once and say, “But we are FIGHTING a WAR!”

That is the mark of a good organization, the fact that they can fight the war, and still maintain the status quo at the same time.

Think about it this way–what would have happened to the US during World war II if FDR and congress had not carried on with the business of the nation?

Our fight in the war would have been for naught. Our brave service men and women would have come home to a broken and falling apart country.

We, as a Tribe, must carry on. Any and everything that we would do as a Tribe if there was not a “war” going on, must continue to go on.

Otherwise, the other side wins.

Continuing on with the everyday, mundane work-mopping the floor, weeding the garden, etc.-it keeps us together as a People, it gives us strength. It gives us a warm, comfortable Tribe to come home to when the war is won. It gives the ones on the front line something to fight for.

For those of you out there on the front lines, battling this war to free your Tribe of parasites-THANK YOU! It is no where enough to say, yet it is all the rest of have to say.

To those of you giving your all to maintain the status quo and keep all as normal as possible, I also say THANK YOU! and once again, it is not enough yet it is all there is.

And there are thoe of you that are doing both————–

Chakwaina on Just fine in da' wurl!

Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:06:31 +0000

That's great.

My question was mainly to see if we knew whether or not members are actually using the site to get the information they need to keep up to date.

I am guilty of using the site as much as I should. But I will take the time now to tell you thanx for setting it up and keepping it up to date.

That is a lot of time away from your family that you are giving to your People.

Thank You!!!

Doug on Just fine in da' wurl!

Mon, 08 Sep 2008 09:28:53 +0000

According to our highly sophisticated analistics software…

Since our humbled beginings a few months ago, We have had over 1500 pageviews, and 90 unique visits (90 different computers). We currently have 19 registered members, and most search engines are starting to rank Waccamaw.org above Waccamaw.us in general searches.

The stats really aren't all that impressive. Our goal is to provide infomation to tribal members. So, unless you register and login, there's really not much for you to see. I can't think of any reason anyone would come here and stay unless they are a tribal member, and I'm sure that reflects in our numbers.

I would guess that Waccamaw.org is at least as popular as Waccamaw.us, if not more popular (there are people who actually come here). I don't have any analystics software running for it, so I really don't know. However I'm sure that will change soon enough. Waccamaw.us is still the official site, and as such, will probably start taking on more of a role in our web presence.